tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9215006984353817373.post8719522707907175754..comments2024-03-23T12:56:50.209+00:00Comments on 99% is ....... The Barnet Eye: Why every Jewish voter in Barnet must vote for Andrew DismoreRog Thttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08139705078907584931noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9215006984353817373.post-71342291770704227432012-03-26T12:28:44.011+01:002012-03-26T12:28:44.011+01:00Vicki
In the mayoral elections you do vote for th...Vicki<br /><br />In the mayoral elections you do vote for the man. The Mayor has a huge swathe of powers and one difference between Ken and Boris is that Ken does detail. I don't think Ken would deliberately sit down and say "what evil things can I do", but when big decisions are made, he will feel far more inclined to ignore the concerns of communities which he perceives as having no vested interest for him or Labour.Rog Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08139705078907584931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9215006984353817373.post-50688933253442475642012-03-25T23:19:43.994+01:002012-03-25T23:19:43.994+01:00I'm not sure, Roger, what you expect Livingsto...I'm not sure, Roger, what you expect Livingstone to be able to do to the Jewish community that would be so bad - "a chill wind"?! I don't think he can do that much that would be so bad for the Jewish community! Goodness me, I hope not. In any case, Livingstone might be bad, but he's not that bad!<br /><br />I can imagine him inviting more speakers to City Hall that would offend lots of Jews (and other people), eg, more Qaradawis, but what can he actually do? What would he want to do? <br /><br />I don't think he is consciously anti-semitic, he has - I'm afraid - fairly standard-issue leftist views on Israel, cranked up by his background around the WRP. <br /><br />I don't like many of his views - and I'm not even Jewish. I know that a lot of usually Labour-voting Jews will not vote for him this time. But there will be many that stick with voting Labour.<br /><br />I think that some Tory voters will be able to go to the polls, vote Boris and not vote for Coleman. It will be interesting to see the gap - we will probably be able to work it out in Barnet. <br /><br />I really hope that Coleman doesn't get in, not just because I'm Labour but because Coleman is so very awful.<br /><br />I'll vote for Ken Livingstone, not because of the man, rather in spite of the man. But because he is the Labour candidate; I still see the party as having links to the trade unions, and wish that the unions would assert themselves more in the party that they fund. <br /><br />Livingstone is no friend of the unions, in case people hadn't noticed! <br /><br />Thankfully, elections aren't yet just a matter of voting for this or that individual person: we would really be in deep s*** if they were. There are still some basic political - class - choices to be made!<br /><br />I know this cuts against my wish to see Coleman - the Conservative candidate - voted out, but it also underpins my hope to see Livingstone - the Labour candidate - voted in.Citizen Barnethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10539991855658960354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9215006984353817373.post-87732527596583486852012-03-24T15:55:05.605+00:002012-03-24T15:55:05.605+00:00If Labour had chosen Oona King as their candidate ...If Labour had chosen Oona King as their candidate for Mayor, I think she would have galvanised the Labour vote and Coleman would be toast!Don't Call Me Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13602899129846028170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9215006984353817373.post-28683746512668829752012-03-24T15:51:46.591+00:002012-03-24T15:51:46.591+00:00Apologies Rog, I thought you were still a LibDem. ...Apologies Rog, I thought you were still a LibDem. Glad to see that common sense has prevailed!Don't Call Me Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13602899129846028170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9215006984353817373.post-73514901153938552362012-03-24T14:46:37.274+00:002012-03-24T14:46:37.274+00:00David,
I wouldn't be so sure about Livingstone...David,<br />I wouldn't be so sure about Livingstones prospects if I were you. I've recently been speaking to quite a few people who voted Boris last time and are definately voting for Ken this time, for a range of reasons. I suspect that outside of Barnet the arguments are rather different.<br /><br />As to "my party", I don't currently belong to one.Rog Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08139705078907584931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9215006984353817373.post-24303005845181062552012-03-24T14:30:30.972+00:002012-03-24T14:30:30.972+00:00How about:
"Clean the air - sack your Colema...How about:<br /><br />"Clean the air - sack your Coleman" (for those of us old enough to remember deliveries by the coalman!).Morris Hickeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14099635989949105753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9215006984353817373.post-36276763798876124302012-03-24T14:25:21.264+00:002012-03-24T14:25:21.264+00:00"We are supposed to be one of the major capit...<i>"We are supposed to be one of the major capitals of the world, but the political parties treat us like Goldman Sachs."</i><br /><br />I agree with DCMD that it asking a lot for natural Conservatives to vote for Boris, and then NOT to go on to vote for the Conservative GLA candidates, both the geographical one (Brian), and the party list. <br /><br />Or at least, the numbers who do that may not be enough to matter.<br /><br />It is expecting there to be votes for Boris and for the 'London Conservative List', but for Labour's Andrew Dismore as well - if the full tactical position is taken.<br /><br />Still, politics is full of surprises - many London boroughs went Labour two years ago, for instance.<br /><br />So the slogan has to be <i><b>"Whether You Vote for Boris or Ken, Vote Tactically in Barnet and Camden, to Kick Out Brian Coleman."</b></i><br /><br />(OK, that slogan can be worked on a bit.)baarnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12301292285255035403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9215006984353817373.post-61760932447510769602012-03-24T12:19:53.130+00:002012-03-24T12:19:53.130+00:00Rog
It is interesting that you acknowledge that y...Rog<br /><br />It is interesting that you acknowledge that your own party’s candidate is not credible! I agree with Morris that your post sounds desperate, but what is even more desperate is that the voters of London are faced with the same three candidates as last time. Is this really the best that London can come up with? We are supposed to be one of the major capitals of the world, but the political parties treat us like Muppets.<br /><br />I think you are wrong to claim that the Jewish community has to <i>“face up to the very real prospect of a Ken Livingstone mayoralty” </i>There is not a cat in hell’s chance of Livingstone winning. A few weeks ago he was neck and neck with Boris in the polls, but then he did what he always did. He opened his mouth. But it is not just his hypocrisy over his tax status and his anti Jewish/Israel ranting that will cost him votes, it is the simple reality that he is stark raving bonkers. Boris might be a buffoon, but he is an amiable buffoon. I don’t believe that it is just Jewish voters who are alarmed at the things Livingstone has been saying recently.<br /><br />I am not so sure that the Conservatives will lose votes due to the budget. Labour and LieDem supporters clearly won’t vote for him - but they never would have anyway. But Labour voters who don’t trust Ken won’t suddenly switch to Boris. They will either abstain or perhaps vote LieDem. The question is, will Tory voters (in particular pensioners) still vote for Boris? I think they will because they know that Livingstone in charge means the GLA precept starts going back up again. Ken just can’t help himself but waste taxpayers money on his crackpot schemes.<br /><br />As for the Coleman / Dismore battle, both candidates, as you point out, have a track record of supporting the Jewish community but, frankly, neither of them have covered themselves in glory over the years. Just as London deserves better than the candidates on offer, so it is the case in Barnet. Why do the political parties keep foisting upon us career politicians with their snouts in the trough. Who will win? My view is that Coleman will hold on to his seat because I think many Conservative supporters who are voting for Boris, will then vote Conservative across the board for the GLA as well. I cannot see Dismore winning with Livingstone as the candidate for Mayor. But, frankly, whoever wins in Barnet will be a disaster. People would be better off abstaining from the GLA vote in order to signify our disgust at the contempt in which the parties hold us.Don't Call Me Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13602899129846028170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9215006984353817373.post-87100392480231718942012-03-24T11:57:26.592+00:002012-03-24T11:57:26.592+00:00My comment may have been somewhat inadequate, Rog....My comment may have been somewhat inadequate, Rog. I understand your motive, and sympathise with it. If only my personal circumstances allowed me the time to manage a similar blog here in Redbridge! Heaven only knows that we need one. <br /><br />However, I do use the council's own website forum section (Redbridge i) as well as a limited membership blog called Redbridge Eye. Evans no longer posts on his blog comments submitted by me (even reasonable ones) - so much for the democratic right of free speech.Morris Hickeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14099635989949105753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9215006984353817373.post-6105166112778412062012-03-24T11:25:40.122+00:002012-03-24T11:25:40.122+00:00Morris,
I think you've misjudged the tone sli...Morris,<br /><br />I think you've misjudged the tone slightly. I'm not a Labour member, and I don't believe Dismore is the cure to all evils. <br /><br />It is a fact that Coleman is courting certain sectors of the community. I just wanted to make sure that this could all go wrong if Ken Livingstone wins, which I believe is not beyond the realms of impossibility. <br /><br />Labour won't say because they are embarrassed. The Tories won't say because Coleman is an embarrassment. That leaves it to the bloggers in Barnet, yet again, to tell the truthRog Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08139705078907584931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9215006984353817373.post-19207915381609910612012-03-24T11:09:04.055+00:002012-03-24T11:09:04.055+00:00Whilst I can well understand your dislike of Colem...Whilst I can well understand your dislike of Coleman (some of which I share in relation both to him and to Roger Evans, the Havering & Redbridge member) I have to say that the tone of this logically argued post begins to carry some marks of desperation.Morris Hickeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14099635989949105753noreply@blogger.com